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God Hates Gays

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Part 2 of My Coffee Chat With a Methodist Preacher

I was curious what TP’s opinion of Gays in the church was and what he thought about the sudden onset of a tornado soon after the Minneapolis Luthern Church made a decision about homosexuals in the church.  I figured if he thought tornadoes were God’s wrath for Gay’s the likelihood of our finding any common ground for discussion was zilch.  


TP has a very interesting, if not slightly confused impression of what it means to be gay.  I called him out on some of his assumptions.  Largely he feels that homosexuality is not an abomination of God, or particularly sinful, but he frankly said that ‘it is just wrong.’  He made the comment that he has a few gay friends and their life is miserable, presumably because they are gay. 

My counter to his argument was that if a Gay person’s life is miserable it is not because of being gay, but more likely because of society’s (Society: amalgamation of the institutions of education, religious, social and political)  oppression and overt hatred of gayness.  Either this, or they are just miserable people, like any hetero person may be.

TP seemed to concede a little on this point, but did make the trite remark that not doing God’s Will ultimately creates a division between you and the Holy Spirit.  Obviously being Heterosexual is God’s Will. 

To drive my point home further, I explained to him that we see a lot of species in the wild that use homosexual pair bonding for purposes of protection, alliance formation and when there is a lack of females.  I have recently become familiar with the term ‘homosociality’ which I love.  


I wanted to know if he thought gay to straight conversions could be made through the Power of Christ.  He admitted that he did not know of any ‘cure’ for gay people (men or women).  But that a person has control over their actions, no matter what they feel inside.  He made a point about a relative with Multiple Sclerosis (MS).  He notes that even though she is fraught with problems of spasticity and physical limitations, she does everything in her power to try and combat her illness and take therapeutic medications when available.  So, she tries not to be handicap in public…hmmm.


So, apparently being gay is a disease, punctuated by failure of will, ultimately leading people to unholy practices which will ultimately take them out of God’s Grace and deliver them to Hell.


Geez, God must really hate humans!


More, later.




  1. August 27, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    If you start with the presupposition that being gay is “just wrong,” it leads you down those theological reasonings. Sounds like he may not have thought it through that much? Wonder if he had a few happy gay friends if it would have provoked more nuanced thoughts. Happy gay, that’s funny. :^)

  2. August 28, 2009 at 12:52 am

    Yeah, agreeing with ATTR, next time invite some gay folks to join your talk. Or better yet, invite the Pastor to a gay bar.

  3. August 28, 2009 at 10:24 am

    BTW, absolutely LOVE the fuschia in your title — wonderful, darling !

  4. Anoat Ozzel
    August 28, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    “Sounds like he may not have thought it through that much?”
    That is exactly the conclusion I drew. Like I said previously, this is not your typical Falwell, doom and gloom sort of guy. He just never had any gay friends that were ‘Fantastic.’ Couple that approach with a fat dose of orthodox Christian Dogma and scriptural literalism and voila, you get instant prejudice!
    He also made an erroneous theological leap of faith by saying scriptures of ALL faiths Universally denounce homosexual activities. I politely corrected him with a few examples from our Greek and Roman ancestors, ‘Women are to admire, men are for pleasure.’ (paraphrased). Granted the BIG three monotheisms are not exactly gay affirming!


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